We have advanced defensive stats from 2002-2008, his age 34-40 seasons. It's hard to just text through the phone and really dive into a lot of things, but more so just having a lot of time at second base, you don't have to rush anything, and making sure on double plays you're getting that first out and protecting yourself from that runner coming. We offer recommendations from 35+ fantasy baseball experts! If Moustakas is a fair enough defensive comp, then Gorman would just have to provide around a 100 wRC+ to do that. In 2016, as a sophomore at Sandra Day O'Connor High School, he batted .490 with 11 home runs and 49 RBIs, and in 2017, as a junior, he batted .361 with 11 home runs and 34 RBIs. Let’s focus on three: This was a subtle but important point that everyone agreed on. 2. With Arenado likely occupying the hot corner for most of the next decade, the common belief was that Gorman should just hang out at third in the minors and, when his bat showed he was ready for the majors, the club would surely be able to find a place for him in their lineup. St. Louis Cardinals at Philadelphia Phillies — A game thread for April 17, 2021, TA 4/17/21: Kim Activated to Make First Start, Whitley Optioned, A Better Approach to Hard Hit Percentage, and Early Cardinal Results, Hard contact is nice, but it’s even better when it’s accompanied by fewer strikeouts, as the Cardinals have shown early this year, Sloppy Second Inning Sinks Cardinals in Philly, St. Louis Cardinals at Philadelphia Phillies - A game thread for April 16, 2021. Gorman was slotted as the Cardinals' third baseman of the future... and then Nolan Arenado arrived. At the end, all Top 50 members are shown by position groupings in an organizational prospect depth chart. With Gorman not even being listed as taking infield practice today I see it unlikely he will play at second base. And I will figure it out, second base as part of that path, then let's get to work,’” Shildt recalled on Feb. 21. Top Prospect Nolan Gorman. Although he was not tested extensively, he did turn a double play and catch a popup. Good hands, strong arm. Mike Moustakas: Moose has been primarily a third baseman in the majors. What I’ll do here is present their comments with minimal commentary, then we’ll dig into some common trends and some stats. photo: Nolan Gorman and Dylan Carlson. He was expected to be the third baseman of the future for the St. Louis Cardinals, but after acquiring Nolan Arenado from the Colorado Rockies, the team actively sought ways to incorporate Gorman into the lineup. Just simple things, little things that made him a great player.”. If you are interested at all in minor league development, they are all worth following. And if he hits, he’ll play. Then it came to actually playing the position. Nolan Gorman asked for permission to report early (and was granted it by #Cardinals) so he could get some work with Jose Oquendo, Stubby Clapp at second base.Early reviews are positive, per Mozeliak. Matt Carpenter: Carpenter also arrived as a third baseman, but need and his own versatility motivated the Cards to be flexible with him defensively. From ’02-’04, Kent had a -5/+7.9 DRS/UZR. There’s some uncertainty of where he fits long term with Nolan Arenado now patrolling third base for the Cardinals. — Derrick S. Goold (@dgoold) February 18, 2021 Later in the month he played in the Under Armour All-America Baseball Gameand won their home run derby. In those 7 seasons, Kent had a -52 DRS and a -30.6 UZR. That being said, second is less demanding in terms of range and pure arm strength, so it’s at least a possibility. While the analysts think Gorman should try this, none of them believe that his skillset and body-type will allow him to be better than average at the position. I can’t wait to see if he gets time there at games during Spring Training! The Cardinals are set with Tommy Edman and Matt Carpenter at second in 2021. When the Cardinals acquired Nolan Arenado, they put up a road block to another Nolan in their system, Nolan Gorman.Gorman reacted by immediately thinking about moving to second base:. Now with the gloves pic.twitter.com/sM0mqiSjWN. Tuesday was one of the first trials. In 2013, Carpenter had his best overall season. “It was never really a joke,” Gorman said Tuesday. I believe he will still be here at some point this season if his defense is as natural as Willie McGee seems to think it is. But his focus is expediting his path to the big leagues -- “I've got gloves for everything,” he said -- whether it’s at second, or via even trials in the outfield. That occurred on Tuesday, when the natural third baseman played second in a simulated game for the first time this spring, lining up alongside Arenado on the opposite side of the infield. So I feel confident that he has the athleticism and the drive to be as good as he possibly can there. Here’s what VEB contributor Trevor Hooth had to say: Sorry for the late response here.I don’t think he’ll have any issue becoming a second baseman. He had a good but not elite 120 wRC+. There’s no lack of confidence in the bat, though, as Gorman has hit at any level he’s reached. Three players were cited as comparables: Mike Moustakas, Matt Carpenter, and Jeff Kent. Gorman, the top minor-league prospect in the Cardinals organization, played second base in a five-inning simulated game on a back field in the Cardinals’ complex. What a funny guy with a great sense of humor! That means that what has always been true for Gorman remains true regardless of where he plays on the field: he has to hit! The next year UZR rated him higher, he was about the same on offense and was a 4.2 fWAR player. If nothing else, this will make for a great conversation this spring. Let’s take each in turn. Miami Marlins' Miguel Rojas throws for a fifth inning double play as St. Louis Cardinals' Nolan Gorman slides into second base on Monday, Feb. 24,... Minor League Baseball: Peoria Chiefs Nolan Gorman in action, fielding vs Bowling Green Hot Rods at Dozer Park. He has 603 IPs at 2b with a -3/-.1 DRS/UZR overall at the position. Nolan Gorman asked for permission to report early (and was granted it by #Cardinals) so he could get some work with Jose Oquendo, Stubby Clapp at second base. Fans hear about “the … The Reds did the same thing the next season. If he can’t reach those offensive levels, then all of this becomes moot anyway. He’s now putting in work to be the St. Louis Cardinals’ second baseman. Overall Moose and Carpenter were a little worse at second than they were at third, but the difference is not all that extreme. Those traits that make him into an average or better third base prospect defensively should help him survive across the diamond. If Gorman lands anywhere in the range of these players, he’s probably going to be playable at the position. Gorman has picked Arenado's brain and worked especially closely with the organization’s infield mastermind, José Oquendo. “He's really, really honest and sincere about saying, ‘You know what, I'll be fine. Twitter came through with several valuable, though brief reactions. Read their material. In ’03, Kent was average or a little worse defensively. He was average or worse defensively, provided a 146 wRC+ and an MVP-caliber 7.2 fWAR. If you don’t know something, ask those who do know. The rumor is he likes the infield better than the outfield and that’s why [he’s] at second base instead of the outfield anyway”. Minor League Batting Game Logs & Splits (s.2008) 2018; 2019; More. Nolan Gorman is likely blocked by Nolan Arenado for the foreseeable future. I thought it might be interesting to do a quick survey of some of the prospect analysts that I routinely follow to get their thoughts on Gorman and a possible move to 2b. Let’s hear from some prospect experts on whether he can stick there. The skipper called the prospect following the acquisition of Arenado to take his temperature. Gorman got some of the first boxes checked off -- he turned a double play started by Arenado, caught a popup in the dirt and played a handful of innings at what the club tried to create as close to full-speed game action as possible for starter Jack Flaherty. Range was something of a concern, but with shifting you can play him at second. I'll figure out another path. The only thing impressing the Cardinals more than Gorman’s bat -- his calling card -- and his capability of learning second is his attitude. He’s always been willing to answer questions for me. Nolan Gorman. Maybe you noticed some common points in their reactions. On his most recent version of “Prospects After Dark” (I’m sure you can find it through your preferred Podcast service), he lauded Gorman for his athleticism and arm strength in a potential move to the outfield. Both players were significantly older than Nolan Gorman when they transitioned to second. “Just a good guy to have in your pocket.”, Cardinals’ acquisition of third baseman Nolan Arenado. His defensive profile is somewhat mixed: -5 DRS and +15.3 UZR career. Nolan Gorman is an exciting young prospect for the Cardinals, his power potential can’t be overlooked. I… Gorman is working out at second base. Nolan Gorman page at the Bullpen Wiki; Minor Lg Stats; Minors Game Logs & Splits. Just two Arizona guys, cutting it up, talking shop about second base. Most of the damage, though, was done in his last four seasons, when he was in his upper 30’s. That’s in the range of average and remarkably close to Moustakas. Let’s start internally. Click on their links. More Nolan Gorman Pages at Baseball Reference. And that's the only thing I've got to really understand now, where to be and when to be there.”. 'Wherever they tell me to go I’m going to go play' | Prospect Nolan Gorman adapting to second base in Cardinals camp. Schafer: “Gorman was a shortstop in high school, but his frame and lack of foot speed pretty much always pointed to a corner infield spot being a better choice than an up-the-middle position. If he consistently lands in the the 120+ wRC+ range, Gorman would probably make a few All-Star teams as a second baseman all while playing Jeff Kent/Matt Carpenter 2b defense. Soon, though, Arenado zipping a throw to Gorman to turn two could become a nightly occurrence. Nolan Gorman, the Cardinals’ top position player prospect and a third baseman, has spent several days this past week working on moving to second base. Spread over 10 seasons’ worth of data, that points toward Moustakas as an average defender at third. Before I even dig into their responses, I want to say a huge thank you to all of these guys for taking the time to give me their honest opinions. ksdk.com - Rob Rains • 24d. Players can always walk down the spectrum if that’s what it takes to get them PAs once they reach the show. He has a strong arm. Gorman has still been taking some reps at third this spring, appearing there in Grapefruit League games at times in relief of Arenado and more than holding his own. Nolan Gorman has hit 32 home runs over 188 games in the Minor Leagues. https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-gorman-working-hard-on-move-second-base Nick Madrigal is poised to make the biggest impact among second basemen in 2021. I just think when he was drafted out of high school everyone thought that he would have to move to first but he worked hard enough that he looked like a sure-fire third baseman on an average to potentially above level for a couple of years at least in 2019. He will be the White Sox everyday second baseman in a stacked lineup. Here are the results: 3b overall: 5333 IP, +8 DRS, -14.4 UZR2b overall: 1688.2 IP, -13 DRS, -7.9 UZR. In part thanks to his Instagram story following the Cardinals’ acquisition of third baseman Nolan Arenado -- “Does anyone know where Dustin Pedroia is and is he available for lessons on how to play second base?” Gorman wrote -- the Cardinals’ No. Madrigal has one of the best hit tools in the game as well as plus speed. St. Louis Cardinals: Nolan Gorman putting in extra work at second base redbirdrants.com - Matt Graves • 54d If there are two things that the St. Louis Cardinals seem to prioritize above most other things, it’s athleticism and character. Kyle Reis is one of my favorite prospect analysts over at Birds on the Black. Nolan Gorman has been putting in extra work at second base this spring. Instead, he sought permission from the front office to head down to Jupiter early and start working out at the keystone position with Jose Oquendo. Immediately after the trade, Gorman joked that he would have to start working out at 2b! “I'm a baseball guy, so I study everything,” Gorman said. If he exceeds that level of offensive performance, then his defensive deficiencies at second will likely become irrelevant. The 20-year-old Gorman spent time at spring camp with longtime infield coach Jose Oquendo and first base coach Stubby Clapp at second base. At 20-years-old there’s still plenty of time to develop his game. Even with a poor defensive reputation, Kent wasn’t that far from average at the position. Kent, on the other hand, has the reputation of being a bad defender but was probably still performing at a more-than-acceptable level there considering his bat until his mid-30s. Gorman, a natural third baseman who's acclimating to second base in the wake of the offseason acquisition of Nolan Arenado, played at the keystone for the first time in a simulated game Tuesday and helped turn a double play, Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. Follow them on Twitter. Nolan Gorman to get reps at second base this spring. Has good footwork at third. The left-handed-hitting 20-year-old has been hitting balls on the screws through 17 exhibition at-bats, his manager said, though he holds just two hits, one being a double, and an RBI. Average probably is his upside based on these comps, but that doesn’t seem as far out of reach as one might imagine. I think most analysts would agree that a 120’ish wRC+ is within Gorman’s hitting abilities, though not a sure thing. Instead, the Cardinals are monitoring -- and pleased with -- how he can evolve with the glove, specifically, given his strong arm. He committed to play college baseball at the University of Arizona in August 2015. We have a couple of them right here on Viva El Birdos! Gorman, a natural third baseman who's acclimating to second base in the wake of the offseason acquisition of Nolan Arenado, played at the keystone for the first time in a simulated game Tuesday and helped turn a double play, Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. “… Simple stuff. That could be third or first in the unfortunate event of an injury to Arenado or Goldschmidt, the outfield (where the Cardinals might have needs), or even the DH if it comes to stay in 2022. It was worth it early in Matt Carpenter’s career, and it was certainly worth it for Jeff Kent’s entire MLB tenure, which is the guy I would put forward as both the best-case scenario for that kind of tradeoff and also a pretty damned good physical comp for Nolan himself.”, (More relevant material from the Red Baron: A.E.’s Draft write-up from 2018; A.E.’s 2020 Top Prospects List). Gorman, the top minor-league prospect in the Cardinals organization, played second base in a five-inning simulated game on a back field in the Cardinals’ complex. So now that it seems Gorman is transitioning to the Outfield what is the likelihood we see him this season? “You know, actions do speak louder than words.”. … If [second base] is going to help the big squad win, that's what I'm willing to do, and just put in extra work and make sure I'm dialed in there.”. Gorman attended Sandra Day O'Connor High School in Phoenix, Arizona. There really was no way for me to answer that question without considerable research that I was ill-equipped to do on short notice. That translated into an attractive 3.3 fWAR. Let’s look a little deeper at Kent. While the Cardinals are working on getting him comfortable at second base (in light of He’s hitting .200/.238/.300. Fantasy Impact. Jeff Kent: Kent played over 17,000 innings in his career at 2b. Early reviews are positive, per Mozeliak. And even if he needs more resources, the Cardinals are bursting with them. The Official Site of Major League Baseball. Within hours of the Cardinals acquiring Nolan Arenado, radically recasting their offseason and likely rewriting his future, Nolan Gorman shared an all-call on social media to find recently retired former … Nolan Gorman technically only had two hits Tuesday, but he was busier on the basepaths than that may imply. Ask the Experts: Nolan Gorman and Second Base, Cards’ Bombs Overcome Lack of Kim’s Innings and Cards Beat Phils 9-4. Cardinals INF prospect Nolan Gorman will get reps at second base this spring. He’s hitting .200/.238/.300. Rank Player Position Team Level eta Age Height / Weight Bats Throws; 1 In 2019, at the age of 30, Moose was shifted to 2b by the Brewers. More Nolan Gorman Pages at Baseball Reference. The point? He was expected to be the third baseman of the future for the St. Louis Cardinals, but … Arenado is signed through 2027 (with opt-outs after ’21 and ’22) and Gorman is still trying to make the club, though likely not until the later portion of this year, if at all, before 2022. Moustakas had his most 2b innings in ’19 and provided one of his better career fWARs – 2.8 with just a 114 wRC+. Hopefully, it goes well and Gorman can continue the experiment into the minor league season. “I'm glad he was letting me reach out to him,” Gorman said. There isn’t much about this early season that’s likely to stick around, but three encouraging stats just might have staying power. Second Base Prospect 2021 Impact. And also the excellent @mdthompFWFB from Prospects Live: He’s a good athlete. The greater Cardinals blogging community has some really smart prospect analysts who do the hard labor of binging minor league baseball, scouting exciting young prospects, and sharing their thoughts with us. JUPITER, Fla. — Nolan Gorman came to Florida early, before the official opening of spring training, so he could get in some extra work with Jose Oquendo about the ins and … JUPITER, Fla. — Nolan Gorman came to Florida early, before the official opening of spring training, so he could get in … Gorman, a natural third baseman who's acclimating to second base in the wake of the offseason acquisition of Nolan Arenado, played at the keystone … He's got eight Gold Gloves. That July, he won in the MLB High School Home Run Derby in Miami, Florida. I think he can do it. Get advice on your decision to trade Nolan Gorman for Johan Camargo. “Egoless” was the word manager Mike Shildt used when asked about Gorman’s approach earlier this spring. Our own resident prospect guru, A.E. “But I think the biggest thing is just knowing cuts and relays and [runners on] first and third defenses and different plays that we have going on. And Gorman has no shortage of resources -- a former MVP in Pedroia included -- to help improve upon what it was: a starting point. It was the first step in making the transition from third to second. In the field, prospect Nolan Gorman got his first game-action at second base of spring, and the Cardinals are considering him for innings in the field during a Grapefruit League game. Fortunately, I learned long ago that you (me) don’t have to be an expert on everything. He moves well enough. He would probably need to play it in a specific way, probably playing deeper than most in order to augment his range and then rely on his quick release and stronger arm than most second base types to make up for playing so deep. It really won’t take that much offensive production for Gorman to provide starter-caliber production (2.0+ fWAR.) Nolan Gorman has been putting in extra work at second base this spring. When the Cardinals acquired Nolan Arenado, it immediately brought into question the future of another Nolan – Nolan Gorman, one of the top third base prospects in the minors. Next up for Gorman this spring could be taking reps at second in Grapefruit League action, though the Cards are being patient with him there. He's a stud over there and he hits for power, hits for average -- everything,” Gorman said. I’ve always believed that a prospect should stay at the hardest position on the defensive spectrum that they can handle while in the minors regardless of the roster situation at the major league level. He moves well enough for there to be no issue in becoming competent enough, and that means another nice bat in the lineup. Gorman possesses enough of the right kinds of skills to make a move to second at least worth trying. Ha! The St. Louis Cardinals are sitting on several great prospects in their farm system that they hope will eventually make their major league debuts. Both Arenado and Gorman were early arrivals to camp in February, golf partners and now, the Cardinals hope, infield stalwarts. He has the athleticism and work ethic. Could Nolan Gorman actually learn to play acceptable defense at 2b? Those performances should help put Gorman’s value as a 2b’man in context. 2013 accounts for 1100 of those 2b innings, and that year, at age 27, Carpenter was -2/.3 DRS/UZR. Basically, though, what you’re talking about is a situation where you sacrifice defense for the bat, and Gorman’s bat could absolutely be special enough to make that tradeoff worth it. The double was Gorman’s second of the spring. The elder Nolan -- Arenado -- is an eight-time Gold Glover at third, where Gorman, the 19th overall Draft pick in 2018, initially mapped out his career. Nolan Gorman wants to set the record straight: He was not really kidding. Not great… but also not terrible, especially considering his age and his lack of experience at the position. When the Cardinals acquired Nolan Arenado, it immediately brought into question the future of another Nolan – Nolan Gorman, one of the top third base prospects in the minors. No, he wasn’t. 3 prospect did in fact connect with the former Red Sox MVP second baseman over text. There are certainly few better players for Gorman to learn from than Pedroia, a four-time Gold Glover at second and two-time World Series champion who called it a career in February. “I mean, you've got Arenado coming in at third base. “You got to be able to adjust, and I'm not up there with any sort of name in the big leagues, so I want to help the team win any way I can. Expect Gorman to be average or worse at second. Gorman likely will begin this season at Double A Springfield and almost certainly will see time at both third and second, and perhaps even in the outfield, this year He thinks some of those traits could help him play 2b: Kyle Reis: “Well, my initial thought is that if Mike Moustakas can do it then Gorman should be able to as well. In my opinion, I just don’t see much downside here. The next subject in our Top 50 St. Louis Cardinals Prospects for 2021 series is the organization’s best minor league prospects, sorted by position. 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